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silviagod 05-11-2006 15:06

what is going on?
 
Can anyone offer advice please.
My Silvia is misbehaving, it drives well but is damned uneven on idle. I have tried different fuel pumps, distributors, fuel pressure regulators, air-flow sensors, ECU's and the damn thing still does the same. It is perfect from cold until it warms up and in order to keep the damn thing running I am up to 2.5 bar on the fuel pressure. If I allow more air to get in it runs rich as hell because I forgot to put the dump valve back on and it ran perfect but very fast. I also tried blocking off the dump valve to eliminate it from the equation. I suspected No." injector at one time and replaced it to no effect and the spark plugs are new. If I unplug the air-flow sensor it runs slightly rich and idles perfect. I tested the wiring from the air-flow sensor to the ECU and that is ok, the water temp sensor is working fine and I have a healthy spark. I first became aware of the problem when the temperature took a dive and we had a sharp frost and the ECU codes are showing no faults.

Please please please can you offer any suggestions where to look next? The only thing I haven't checked are the valve clearances and a dry compression test on a warm engine is giving 150psi on all cylinders.

umpkin 05-11-2006 16:21

how good is the turbo??? when my hybrid wore, it had a mass of in/out play, but on idle it was tight and stopped spinning, this made it idle very lumpy.

once i got the new tubby, it was all fine.

silviagod 05-11-2006 16:35

Thanks for the reply, that is about the only thing I haven't checked. I will have a feel of my shaft tomorrow and see what it feels like. The turbo spools up well though, I get good dumps and the car doesn't use any oil. Also there is no water in the oil or oil in the water.

adzs12 05-11-2006 16:47

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Originally Posted by silviagod
I will have a feel of my shaft tomorrow and see what it feels like. .

:eek:

All jokes aside my car is misbehaving since the cold weather aswell, my temp gauge is wondering and the heater blows hot when it wants too so i think its new thermostat time. Also though its been making extreme boiling noises when at idle and its hesitated a few times on boost, its as if its low on fuel when im boosting it which is causing it to act like a missfire. Just feels retarded. It steamed/smoked alot when slowing down and when i parked up so a compression test is in order aswell although no mayo is present in the oil cap and dipstick looks normal too. I know my turbo isnt great and has been on its way out for a while now so i dont suppose this is helping matters on boost.

northerner 05-11-2006 17:07

H,mmmm
 
Paul I have had to change my air choke idle thingy as it was *ucked! and wasn't working which gave a funny idle. Maybe its broke/not working properly. Also on the IAA thingy there is Two plungers which open when the idle goes low ie when the lights are on etc to let more air in. These gave me strange idle probs on my old Cherry Turbo. Undo them and clean them out! You've checked all the obvious so nows the time to step back and think of the Not so obvious!

silviagod 05-11-2006 17:21

Thanks Steve but I have tried a different clean IAA unit and it made no difference and the auxiliary air valve is working fine because the tick-over is perfect until the car warms up.
ADZS, the thermostat is working fine and the temperature gauge goes to the middle as per workshop manual.

Hopefully a friend who has a MOT garage may be able to check the injectors on the car with an oscilloscope and tell me if one is acting the goat as the lumpyness is not every fourth time like a proper misfire.

adzs12 05-11-2006 17:37

My gauge never goes past a 1/4 of the way up the gauge as my twin kenlo hurricanes dont allow it too:D , so i found it odd when it kept creeping up to half way. Il change the thermostat anyway as the cooling system could do with a flush out and fresh antifreeze before the frosts really set in. As for the slight hesitation on boost and it feeling retarded il have to see what i find.

silviagod 05-11-2006 17:54

it is the thermostat that controls how far the needle goes not how big the fan is. The needle may go higher if the fans are thermostatically controlled.

adzs12 05-11-2006 17:56

The fans are on a manual switch which are on 99% permanently.

silviagod 05-11-2006 18:11

the fans only cool what is in the radiator and the thermostat opens at a set temperature and sends the water to the radiator to be cooled. if the water in the radiator is cool already it wastes energy keeping the fans on. If the thermostat is opening too soon the engine will not be running at the required temperature and the oil may sludge up and foul up the inside of the oil galleries over a period of time. Also the engine may use more fuel than it should if the ECU temperature sensor doesn't get to the designed temperature and provide the correct resistance.

wacomuk 05-11-2006 18:25

what about a blocked injector or faulty one. i had one which was leaking, when i took it out the plastic cap on the bottom of the injector had a chip in it causing the spray pattern to be uneven. just a thought as i know you have had the fuel rail off recently

silviagod 05-11-2006 18:30

Oreet Dave, I suspected one of them so I replaced it but it made no difference.:confused:

umpkin 05-11-2006 19:03

back to the turbo idea, when mine started this, it was like it for about 3 or 4 months before any oil was being burnt, just coz you not losing oil, dont rule out the sneaky little turbo.

have a good play of that shaft m8.

silviagod 05-11-2006 19:05

Thanks Umpkin, you have my word that my shaft will be played with tomorrow. :D

umpkin 05-11-2006 20:20

lol.

wacomuk 05-11-2006 20:29

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Originally Posted by silviagod
you have my word that my shaft will be played with tomorrow. :D

:eek: get your misses to do it Paul :1la

oreet Paul

you might have got a tank of shitty fuel, maybe some water in it ??

silviagod 05-11-2006 20:33

I have been upset about the car but at least I can still laugh. I will speak to Mrs. Silviagod about my shaft :p

wacomuk 05-11-2006 20:34

intercooler leek ? plug lead?

silviagod 05-11-2006 20:40

checked em and they seem fine.

wacomuk 05-11-2006 21:31

throttle position sensor ?

bigtim 05-11-2006 23:11

ive had a lumpy tickover for 3 years now,changed everything but nowt changed so i live with it.i know it dont help your problem but there is always someone worse off:D:D :D

30psi 06-11-2006 08:53

You say you have raised the fuel pressure to 2.5 bar?

Not got the service manual here in front of me but isn't this approx correct, I'm sure the service manual says 35psi?

I believe it should show 35psi with zero vacuum, ie disconnecting the vac feed to the pressure regulator. That means it would probably run about 28psi at idle.

However in your first post you said its running rich as hell, but then you say if you unplug the AFM it runs richer yet idles better.:confused:

How does the engine behave when you rev it up when its misbehaving? Is it misfiring at all? Also what does the exhaust sound like? Other than lumpy, has its tone changed, and is it popping at all? Have you considered using a standard turbo to throttle body pipe to simplify matters?

Have you thought it might also be an inlet manifold gasket leak?

When you unplug the throttle position sensor does the idle increase by a few hundred rpm? It should do.

Do you know any friendly MOT stations that will allow you a quick free CO2 test? Would be interesting to see how lean/rich it is running.

Have you checked continuity within the loom? It would be good to check the ECU is receiving full voltage. Also check this at each injector terminal. I would also go as far as checking the resistance of the wiring from the AFM to the ECU (although you may have already done this)

I probably can come up with more ideas. But the thing to remember is that normally the problem will be a nice simple one, but there are quite a few possibilities of what it could be. At least it runs, always makes it alot easier to identify a fault.

adzs12 06-11-2006 14:19

Not meaning to thread poach but started my car just now its puffing out blue smoke when revved mainly and its coming out from around the turbo itself. The general idle of the car just seems different and the note from the exhaust and engine has changed . If the turbo is totally shafted is this gunna cause what im experiencing on boost? May seem a dumb question :D

silviagod 06-11-2006 17:18

It is the inlet fannymould gasket that is causing the problem. It is perished and falling apart especially where No.2 cylinder is. The car will be ready to take on the next 21 years sometime tomorrow. :D

wacomuk 06-11-2006 17:40

just a thought but have you tried the inlet manifold gasket ? :wack

PukkaSilvia 06-11-2006 17:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by adzs12
Not meaning to thread poach but started my car just now its puffing out blue smoke when revved mainly and its coming out from around the turbo itself. The general idle of the car just seems different and the note from the exhaust and engine has changed . If the turbo is totally shafted is this gunna cause what im experiencing on boost? May seem a dumb question :D


We will take a look at my work this week Adz. Dont worry about it in the meantime. :)

adzs12 06-11-2006 17:47

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Originally Posted by Pukkasilvia
We will take a look at my work this week Adz. Dont worry about it in the meantime. :)

Cool;)

northerner 06-11-2006 20:02

paul get some of those Copper ones that Shaun had made !

s13eater 06-11-2006 20:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by northerner
paul get some of those Copper ones that Shaun had made !

the copper ones where just for the exhaust manifold matey.

30psi 06-11-2006 23:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by silviagod
It is the inlet fannymould gasket that is causing the problem. It is perished and falling apart especially where No.2 cylinder is. The car will be ready to take on the next 21 years sometime tomorrow. :D

Cool, do I win a prize for guessing correctly?

adzs12 06-11-2006 23:39

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Originally Posted by 30psi
Cool, do I win a prize for guessing correctly?

Here you go mate thought you might like this:D
http://www.historycooperative.org/jo...terson_fVI.jpg

PukkaSilvia 07-11-2006 10:02

Well done martin :cool:
http://fantasyarts.net/Miro/merit_op..._cup_small.jpg


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