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ONION 22-02-2006 23:54

s12 s13 s14 interchangable parts?
 
ok, the sr20det gearbox fits the ca18det... so im guessing it fits the ca18et?
and if the ca18det fits into the s12 with relative ease.

how easy is it to fit the sr20det?
as the sr20det goes into the s13 with relative ease...

is there much involved in fitting these parts?

would it be just a case of bolting in the sr20det with either the ca18det box or sr20 and the complete sr20 loom?

what other parts can be fitted from either car?

i know the t28 fits by rotating the core and possibly fitting a spacer/flange
which also means the gtir t28 would fit...

does the ca18det head bolt straight onto the et block?

and the et head fit straight onto the det block?

would be handy to have a list of all parts and the difficulty level in fitting/ amount of work etc...

30psi 23-02-2006 00:04

The SR20 gearbox doesn't fit the CA18DET.

Its the same family of box which means the CA bellhousing is interchangeable. So ya need a spare bell housing for it to be fitted.

The SR20 would be very easy to fit:) I would just get an SR and box together.

The S13 SR20 engine came with a T25G. The S14 SR20 engine came with a T28.

The heads aren't changeable without some level of work. It would be harder to fit a DET head to an ET as opposed to vice versa

ONION 23-02-2006 00:19

so the sr20det is easy to fit in the s12?
what would be needed?

i know i would have to get the driveshafts modified to fit... im assuming shortened...?

what would i need other than the engine, gearbox and loom?

30psi 23-02-2006 00:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by ONION
what would be needed?

Erm...An SR?:D

I would just get hold of S14 engine mounts and brackets, bodge them in then it an easy install. Prob the gearbox mount will be in a different place and the prop would be the wrong length. Gearstick would be in a slightly different position

sideways danny 23-02-2006 00:45

why fit an SR? nasty agricultural engine that's VERY expensive when they go wrong, and don't listen to people who say they never go wrong because they certainly do and usually they give you very little warning

ONION 23-02-2006 00:55

what engine would you go for then?
the ca18det?

i was thinking of going that route origionally because i have a spare gearbox and they sell quite cheap...

sideways danny 23-02-2006 01:00

personally I'd build a CA18DET, you can get an engine that needs building for £50, spend £600-800 on it and you've got a spotless engine which can bolt to the ET gearbox so no need for fabrication. an SR gearbox alone will go for £250

NIZMAINIAC 23-02-2006 01:05

why are they nasty and agricultural, i've had one for 3 years and it's been faultless

ONION 23-02-2006 01:07

biggest prob is sourcing the parts.
seems to be a shortage of fucked s13's at the moment lol

sideways danny 23-02-2006 01:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by NIZMAINIAC
why are they nasty and agricultural, i've had one for 3 years and it's been faultless


Mostly talking about the construction, I just can't stand anything about them

sideways danny 23-02-2006 01:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by ONION
biggest prob is sourcing the parts.
seems to be a shortage of fucked s13's at the moment lol


you're kidding!!!!!!! I have 11 CA's in my garage

ONION 23-02-2006 01:53

how much you looking for one then? :)

sideways danny 23-02-2006 03:40

and if it's to fit a t25 to yours you don't need it, the standard s12 dump pipe fits with 3 bolts, and sits in the standard position so needs no modification of the exhaust. I've done this on Docwra and CA18DAT's cars

PukkaSilvia 24-02-2006 00:16

After doing this conversion myself i feel It would be far better to stick with your plan Adz and use the proper t25 downpipe rather than fit the t2 one with only 3 bolts(however good this maybe its a bodge and i know you dont like bodging)

The exhaust needs no modification with the t25 downpipe either Danny unless you have a aftermarket exhaust system that hasnt kept the rotating flange. Adz new exhaust has still got the rotating flange

adzs12 24-02-2006 00:22

In all fairness i havent spent hours upon hours in the snow etc scrubbing my entire engine with a toothbrush to go stickign a T2 downpipe on it. I sat a T2 dowpipe on the exhaust housing and with it only being a 4 stud housing theres a rather large gap between 2 of the studs which would cause a weakness for a blow over time imo.

sideways danny 24-02-2006 01:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by adzs12
In all fairness i havent spent hours upon hours in the snow etc scrubbing my entire engine with a toothbrush to go stickign a T2 downpipe on it. I sat a T2 dowpipe on the exhaust housing and with it only being a 4 stud housing theres a rather large gap between 2 of the studs which would cause a weakness for a blow over time imo.


it works on renault t GTTs when they upgrade from t2 to t25, but I bow down to your greater engineering knowledge:rolleyes:

adzs12 24-02-2006 01:33

I just wanted to use the correct downpipe:confused:

alundra 24-02-2006 10:31

Don't forget to say about the T25 unit that you need a new oil return line with "T" piece and a mangement Unit because our MAF doesn't regulate the T25.

What about the stoch exhaust manifoild (engine/exhaust) of a stock CA18DET?
Is it a good upgrade for cheap S13 manifoild+T25?

30psi 24-02-2006 10:43

Myself and others have run the T3 on the standard management with little issues, so i doubt the T25 to cause probs on std mgt.

The CA18DET manifolds wont fit the CA18ET

adzs12 24-02-2006 11:20

The T25 has been used many times on std management:)

sideways danny 24-02-2006 11:26

the standard AFM is the same part as the s13, and it's proven to be good upto 270bhp

nissan_turbs 24-02-2006 12:21

Quote:

it works on renault t GTTs when they upgrade from t2 to t25, but I bow down to your greater engineering knowledge
Yer 'cause if Baz does it in his R5 then it must be right!

Like I said Adz, if you get desperate there is one at my local scrappy.

sideways danny 24-02-2006 12:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by nissan_turbs
Yer 'cause if Baz does it in his R5 then it must be right!

well done, you've officially made yourself look stupid, you've judged my statement without having any clue where i got the info from. how many renault tuners do you know and work next door to? ever been in a 220bhp R5 GTT?

do what you like, I'll not be trying to disprove anymore bullshit myths on here anymore

nissan_turbs 24-02-2006 13:46

If using 3 bolts is so bomb-proof why do the come out of the factory with 4 then smart arse?

Do it Adz! After all if the French tuners do it, it must add at least a 1000bhp.

adzs12 24-02-2006 14:00

Look eveyone has there own views so lets just keep certain opinions that will trigger a conflict to ourselves yeah, i for one am getting fed up with reading arguements on this forum, im sorry but its not going to be tolerated time and time again.

sideways danny 24-02-2006 14:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by nissan_turbs
If using 3 bolts is so bomb-proof why do the come out of the factory with 4 then smart arse?

Do it Adz! After all if the French tuners do it, it must add at least a 1000bhp.

have you tried it? I have, on 3 cars, not a single problem yet

NIZMAINIAC 24-02-2006 17:45

whats the point in a 220bhp renault 5? you can't use it properly because its fwd and like everything else french USELESS:D

sideways danny 24-02-2006 18:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by NIZMAINIAC
whats the point in a 220bhp renault 5? you can't use it properly because its fwd and like everything else french USELESS:D

12 second qtr miles

ONION 24-02-2006 18:28

has everyone fallen ill with a bout of arsehole syndrome or something?

chill out folks.

fact is, a t2 elbow can work.
adz wants to use the t25 however... the main reason being because he likes everything to be perfect.... which i dont see a prob with.

he's put a lot of time and effort into doing everything correct to the smallest details...

various elbows will fit and work but its a t25 that he requires...

alundra 24-02-2006 18:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by adzs12
The T25 has been used many times on std management:)

First time a read it ;)
But i need more info (fuel pressure setting, MAF, ECU and boost troubles).
Perhaps my next stage if info will goods :D .

ONION 24-02-2006 18:59

you need nothing mate.,
a t25 fits on and runs fine.

ive done it... so have many others :)

adzs12 24-02-2006 19:06

A T25 is a direct fit to your standard exhaust manifold, then you have the option to use a T25 downpipe or as has been mentioned you could try and use a T2 downpipe.

Engine management doesnt come in to it atall with a T25:)

sideways danny 25-02-2006 14:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by alundra
First time a read it ;)
But i need more info (fuel pressure setting, MAF, ECU and boost troubles).
Perhaps my next stage if info will goods :D .

it's a good idea to use something like an SAFC to fine tune the fueling. this will alow you to fit bigger injectors too


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